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		<title>By: jantin</title>
		<link>http://www.technotaste.com/blog/thanksgiving-turkey-that-will-make-you-fall-over/comment-page-1/#comment-140332</link>
		<dc:creator>jantin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam,

Thanks for your comment, although next time you might want to put some effort into sounding less cocky and preachy. As it happens, I&#039;m a culinary school graduate and I worked as a chef, so let&#039;s just keep our conversation on point.

As long as we&#039;re talking about myths, a big one is the idea that putting a moist thing in the turkey cavity would add moisture to the meat. Case in point: beer can chicken. That&#039;s where you shove a beer can up a chicken&#039;s butt and cook it upright. You get a super moist and flavorful chicken that way. But while you get some flavor from the beer, you&#039;re not getting much moisture. The moist chicken comes primarily from the upright cooking method - the beer can might as well be empty.

Now back to the issue: to stuff or not to stuff? Well, I think the best answer is that there are pros and cons to each way. Stuffing that comes from the turkey tastes better, that&#039;s for sure. But adding mass to the turkey *will* increase the time it takes the turkey to get to safe temp. That&#039;s just physics. 

The issue is as much food safety as anything else. Since the stuffing is absorbing the raw turkey juices, you need to make sure it reaches 165 degrees. A compromise would be to stuff the turkey, then scoop the stuffing out after a few hours and finish it in a separate dish. Just do it quick - you don&#039;t want the turkey temp. to drop too far while you scoop!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment, although next time you might want to put some effort into sounding less cocky and preachy. As it happens, I&#039;m a culinary school graduate and I worked as a chef, so let&#039;s just keep our conversation on point.</p>
<p>As long as we&#039;re talking about myths, a big one is the idea that putting a moist thing in the turkey cavity would add moisture to the meat. Case in point: beer can chicken. That&#039;s where you shove a beer can up a chicken&#039;s butt and cook it upright. You get a super moist and flavorful chicken that way. But while you get some flavor from the beer, you&#039;re not getting much moisture. The moist chicken comes primarily from the upright cooking method &#8211; the beer can might as well be empty.</p>
<p>Now back to the issue: to stuff or not to stuff? Well, I think the best answer is that there are pros and cons to each way. Stuffing that comes from the turkey tastes better, that&#039;s for sure. But adding mass to the turkey *will* increase the time it takes the turkey to get to safe temp. That&#039;s just physics. </p>
<p>The issue is as much food safety as anything else. Since the stuffing is absorbing the raw turkey juices, you need to make sure it reaches 165 degrees. A compromise would be to stuff the turkey, then scoop the stuffing out after a few hours and finish it in a separate dish. Just do it quick &#8211; you don&#039;t want the turkey temp. to drop too far while you scoop!</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of your ideas are correct except for the &quot;DO NOT STUFF YOUR TURKEY&quot; part. Stuffing a turkey in no way dries the meat out whether in increased cooking time or absorption of the fluid from the meat into the stuffing. Quite the opposite stuffing a turkey increases fluid content in the meat as the drippings inside the turkey are absorbed by the stuffing which are then slowly released back into the meat from the inside out. If you take a sponge soak it in water and put a piece of glass above it and set it in the sun you will notice water droplets forming on the glass. The same thing happens inside the turkey. Further more as the meet dries it absorbs these droplets of moisture. The long held myth that stuffing a turkey dries the meat because of increased oven time is in fact false and is one of those half baked ideas created by people who have no professional backgroung in culinary arts or people who work for the stovetop stuffing companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of your ideas are correct except for the &#034;DO NOT STUFF YOUR TURKEY&#034; part. Stuffing a turkey in no way dries the meat out whether in increased cooking time or absorption of the fluid from the meat into the stuffing. Quite the opposite stuffing a turkey increases fluid content in the meat as the drippings inside the turkey are absorbed by the stuffing which are then slowly released back into the meat from the inside out. If you take a sponge soak it in water and put a piece of glass above it and set it in the sun you will notice water droplets forming on the glass. The same thing happens inside the turkey. Further more as the meet dries it absorbs these droplets of moisture. The long held myth that stuffing a turkey dries the meat because of increased oven time is in fact false and is one of those half baked ideas created by people who have no professional backgroung in culinary arts or people who work for the stovetop stuffing companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you tent it, don&#039;t you loose the crispness to the skin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you tent it, don&#039;t you loose the crispness to the skin?</p>
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		<title>By: More Perfect Turkey &#124; TechnoTaste</title>
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		<dc:creator>More Perfect Turkey &#124; TechnoTaste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] lots of detail on these steps, check out my earlier post: Thanksgiving Turkey That Will Make Your Fall Over. I&#8217;ve never failed to make a flavorful, juicy turkey with these [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] lots of detail on these steps, check out my earlier post: Thanksgiving Turkey That Will Make Your Fall Over. I&#039;ve never failed to make a flavorful, juicy turkey with these [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jantin</title>
		<link>http://www.technotaste.com/blog/thanksgiving-turkey-that-will-make-you-fall-over/comment-page-1/#comment-11176</link>
		<dc:creator>jantin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great suggestion, Joe. I like it because many folks don&#039;t eat the skin (crazy, I know!), and when you season under the skin more of the meat can get the benefit of the flavor.

I also wanted to offer a few quick tips for avoiding the inevitable burning of a few areas of skin:


Make sure the rub is evenly distributed an not caked on anywhere. A fairly light dusting is all you need for beautiful skin.
 During the caramelization phase, it may help to rotate the Turkey in the oven to help compensate for hotspots, especially if your oven is small like mine. However, remember that if you don&#039;t do this quickly you&#039;ll let all the heat out of the oven and that&#039;s not good at all!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great suggestion, Joe. I like it because many folks don&#039;t eat the skin (crazy, I know!), and when you season under the skin more of the meat can get the benefit of the flavor.</p>
<p>I also wanted to offer a few quick tips for avoiding the inevitable burning of a few areas of skin:</p>
<p>Make sure the rub is evenly distributed an not caked on anywhere. A fairly light dusting is all you need for beautiful skin.<br />
 During the caramelization phase, it may help to rotate the Turkey in the oven to help compensate for hotspots, especially if your oven is small like mine. However, remember that if you don&#039;t do this quickly you&#039;ll let all the heat out of the oven and that&#039;s not good at all!!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 06:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use all of these methods.  The brine makes the biggest difference.  The skin crisping also really helps.  I also make a compound butter with garlic, sage, rosemary and thyme and stuff it under the skin.  Pull out of the oven at 161 and let rest up to 165.  Enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use all of these methods.  The brine makes the biggest difference.  The skin crisping also really helps.  I also make a compound butter with garlic, sage, rosemary and thyme and stuff it under the skin.  Pull out of the oven at 161 and let rest up to 165.  Enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 01:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several years ago, jantin converted me to the non-stuffing of the bird.  Now, I just stick a  couple of halved lemons up its ass, caramelize the skin as directed,  and call it a day.  The aromatics added to the cavity is a nice touch.  I&#039;ll try it next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several years ago, jantin converted me to the non-stuffing of the bird.  Now, I just stick a  couple of halved lemons up its ass, caramelize the skin as directed,  and call it a day.  The aromatics added to the cavity is a nice touch.  I&#039;ll try it next time.</p>
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		<title>By: jantin</title>
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		<dc:creator>jantin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2005 22:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m interested in your feedback and stories about the turkey, if you made it. How&#039;d it go? I cooked the bird for 14 of my Texas in-laws and got rave reviews. I think it turned out much better than when I made it last week back in Berkeley for two reasons: (1) I added a lot of aromatics to the cavity of the bird. I should have mentioned this in my recipe. I stuffed the thing full of garlic, thyme, whole cloves, peppercorns, and halved/squeezed lemons. Skip the onions, carrots, celery, though. Those things won&#039;t infuse much (or any) flavor into the meat but will add a lot of mass to the turkey. And (2) my in-laws&#039; oven is much bigger than mine, so it allowed air to flow around the bird and even out the cooking. I have an antique oven at home, and the turkey barely fit in - it was practically squeezed against the sides and top of the thing!

So, share your stories!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m interested in your feedback and stories about the turkey, if you made it. How&#039;d it go? I cooked the bird for 14 of my Texas in-laws and got rave reviews. I think it turned out much better than when I made it last week back in Berkeley for two reasons: (1) I added a lot of aromatics to the cavity of the bird. I should have mentioned this in my recipe. I stuffed the thing full of garlic, thyme, whole cloves, peppercorns, and halved/squeezed lemons. Skip the onions, carrots, celery, though. Those things won&#039;t infuse much (or any) flavor into the meat but will add a lot of mass to the turkey. And (2) my in-laws&#039; oven is much bigger than mine, so it allowed air to flow around the bird and even out the cooking. I have an antique oven at home, and the turkey barely fit in &#8211; it was practically squeezed against the sides and top of the thing!</p>
<p>So, share your stories!</p>
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		<title>By: tim d</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 03:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the recipe -- i just put the turkey to brine in the frig.   I&#039;m always last minute == is there a way to dry and dry rub it in less time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the recipe &#8212; i just put the turkey to brine in the frig.   I&#039;m always last minute == is there a way to dry and dry rub it in less time?</p>
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		<title>By: dave and mirian</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave and mirian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the recipe! We&#039;ll try it out for our first thanksgiving dinner together...and see if your recipe turns out well or else! actually, i&#039;ll blame it on dave since he&#039;s the one making the brine water..hehe...Happy Thanksgiving!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the recipe! We&#039;ll try it out for our first thanksgiving dinner together&#8230;and see if your recipe turns out well or else! actually, i&#039;ll blame it on dave since he&#039;s the one making the brine water..hehe&#8230;Happy Thanksgiving!</p>
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