Tue 15 Nov 2005
I thought I would recap last year's Perfect Turkey post with a few important updates. If you follow these steps – both the ones about what to do and what not to do – your friends and family will grovel at your feet and beg for your recipe. But you won't give it to them, because it's our little secret.
So here are the five foolproof tips for cooking your turkey this Thanksgiving. (Note: This method requires a 2 day prep period. But don't worry! The flavor steps will only take you 15 minutes a piece.)
Update (11/2010): I've re-visited this recipe for the first time in several years and made a few small changes based on recent experience. The main change is to cut way down on the brown sugar in the rub, and to add some butter. This will reduce the potential for burning and the butter makes a slightly damp spice mix that will adhere better and make the skin crispy and delicious!
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Brine It
This is the single best thing you can do to improve the flavor and juiciness of your turkey. In a large pot on the stove add:
- about 1 cup of table salt (or 1.5 cups of kosher salt) for each gallon of water
- 2 whole lemons + juice (just squeeze them in there and throw the lemon halves in)
- 3-4 whole cloves
- a whole cinnamon stick
Heat the mixture up just to dissolve the salt and infuse the spices and then cool it completely. Tip: If you're going to make a gallon of brine, no need to heat it all up, because it'll take longer to heat and an eternity to cool. Add the full amount of salt and aromatics to less than half of the water. Then stir that mixture into the rest of the water. You can make any additions to the brine for additional flavor. For instance: bay leaves, thyme or rosemary, a bit of honey or brown sugar, cardamom. This year I'm going to infuse the water with some black tea. I don't expect it to give big flavor, but I think a hint of the smoky, earthy, nutty tea flavor will be great. The only way to tell if it's salty enough is to taste. It should taste like sea water.
Brine the turkey whole, in the refrigerator, for up to 24 hours, at least overnight.
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Dry Rub
A dry rub is entirely about two things: creating a crispy, flavorful skin and making your bird look sexy. You can't honestly expect something you rub on the outside of a turkey to seep down into the meat very much, but it's a worthwhile step and a foolproof way to actually get a crispy, dark skin on your turkey, as opposed to the basting method which, as I explain below, is crap. So:
After you've brined the turkey, take it out of the solution and lay it on a bed of paper towels. Pat it dry. While it's drying a bit more on the counter, mix up the dry rub. You really don't want to skimp on the rub, so try this recipe out, but don't hesitate to make more if you need it:
- 1/4 cup brown sugar
- 1/4 cup butter, melted
- 1/4 cup salt
- 1 tablespoon. garlic powder
- 1 tablespoon finely ground mustard
- 1 tablespoon paprika (use spicy Spanish paprika for a wonderful flavor!)
- 1 tablespoon cumin
- 1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
- 1 teaspoon ground nutmeg
- 1 teaspoon ground cloves
Be creative here. Add any spice you want – add some cayenne to give it a kick. But avoid dried herbs as they may burn and give your skin a bitter taste. Once the turkey is fairly dry, generously rub the mixture all over the turkey. Refrigerate overnight.
You're going to have a lot more rub than you need, but it's better that way, since you really want to add it liberally. Most of it will fall off before the bird ever hits the oven. I like to rub the turkey inside the same roasting pan that I'm going to cook it in. I use a V-shaped rack. Just before the bird is ready for the oven I take the rack and turkey out, rinse the extra rub out of the bottom of the pan, give it a quick dry, plop the rack and turkey back in the pan and then pop it in the oven.
Don't worry if patches of the skin look like they're burning – it's bound to happen. I have a tiny Wedgewood oven with no circulation, so I got some significant blackening in one little part. Not a problem.
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Do Not Stuff! Do Not Baste!
Stuffing and basting are about the two dumbest things you can do to a turkey. Here's why. You want moist turkey and crispy skin, right? But your oven, which creates dry heat, is working against you, sucking the moisture out of your bird the longer it sits in there. The problem here is that by the time your stuffing has come to a safe temperature to kill the bacteria in the tasty Turkey juices it has absorbed, the rest of your Turkey is going to be over-cooked. If you like dry turkey that's fine, but for me it's not worth drying out the turkey for some tasty stuffing. Another thing you might want to try if you like dry turkey is opening the oven door all the time to baste it and let the heat out. That'll sure make it take longer to cook. And don't be fooled: basting does not make your turkey more moist. How's that juice going to get way down into the meat?
No, there are only two things that are going to make your turkey moist: brining it and tenting it. If you follow my method, you'll get both. And cooking it to the correct temperature. Ok, that's three.
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Tent It
The problem with cooking poultry is that the white meat cooks faster than the dark meat. If you wait for the dark meat to be done, you'll have overdone white meat. If you take it out when the white meat is done, you'll have undercooked dark meat. So what's a well intentioned cook to do? Tent it. Crank the oven up to 425 and shove that bird in there. Let the skin caramelize for about 45 minutes. Then take a large piece of tin foil, folded over and molded to fit the shape of the breast, and snug it over top of the breast like a…. (You might want to shape it in advance so you don't have the oven door open too long to put the tent on.) Turn the heat down to 350 and let it go the rest of the way.
Update: Take the bird out of the fridge about 45 minutes before it's supposed to go in. If you put it in the oven ice cold it's obviously going to take longer, and we can't have that!
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Use a Digital Thermometer
Take my word for it: there is no other way to know when your bird is done except by temperature. The x number of minutes per pound method is terrible because turkeys and ovens vary so much. Buy one of those digital thermometers with a metal probe thermometer. After you've tented the turkey, shove the probe through the foil into the deepest part of the breast on one side without touching the underlying bone. When the thermometer reads 165 degrees, that sucker is done! Take it out of the oven, out of the pan, and let it rest on the counter until it's time to carve.
Follow these simple steps and you can't go wrong.

damn! I'm ready… going to follow your directions.
Wow! sounds fantastic! i could follow your directions myself, or….what's your address again?
I like Paul's idea. What time?
Also note that you can get one of these neat-o thermometers via Amazon.com for like $15.
Alright, quick questions:
1) In the update to the rub part… are you saying you let it sit on the rack for a while in the fridge with the rub on *and then* take the turkey and rack out of the pan, wash the stray rub out of the bottom of the pan, dry the pan, put the turkey *without the rack anymore* back in the pan?
The reason I'm wondering if you cook it with the rack in is because if you make gravy like I do, it helps to have contact between the skin and the pan to get the gristly goodness going and then to make the gravy in the roasting pan on the range.
2) What about gravy, bub? I usually do something like this:
* remove turkey from roasting pan, let cool on board under foil.
* remove drippings (but not gristle) from pan and set aside in bowl.
* when drippings cool enough for fat to separate from other stuff, take out some of the fat (leave some in).
* put a chunk of the fat (a few tablespoons) in the roasting pan with the gristle stuff and then add a few tablespoons of flour.
* when that gets toasty/nutty, add the remaining drippings from the bowl and slowly heat until it thickens
What do you do?
Good point, Joe. I clarified… I cook the turkey on the rack… It's true that you don't get the direct contact between skin and pan, but you get lots of drippings which pretty much create the same effect, I think.
Regarding gravy, bub, your method is pretty much identical to mine. You're the expert!
Thanks for the recipe! We'll try it out for our first thanksgiving dinner together…and see if your recipe turns out well or else! actually, i'll blame it on dave since he's the one making the brine water..hehe…Happy Thanksgiving!
Thanks for the recipe — i just put the turkey to brine in the frig. I'm always last minute == is there a way to dry and dry rub it in less time?
I'm interested in your feedback and stories about the turkey, if you made it. How'd it go? I cooked the bird for 14 of my Texas in-laws and got rave reviews. I think it turned out much better than when I made it last week back in Berkeley for two reasons: (1) I added a lot of aromatics to the cavity of the bird. I should have mentioned this in my recipe. I stuffed the thing full of garlic, thyme, whole cloves, peppercorns, and halved/squeezed lemons. Skip the onions, carrots, celery, though. Those things won't infuse much (or any) flavor into the meat but will add a lot of mass to the turkey. And (2) my in-laws' oven is much bigger than mine, so it allowed air to flow around the bird and even out the cooking. I have an antique oven at home, and the turkey barely fit in – it was practically squeezed against the sides and top of the thing!
So, share your stories!
Several years ago, jantin converted me to the non-stuffing of the bird. Now, I just stick a couple of halved lemons up its ass, caramelize the skin as directed, and call it a day. The aromatics added to the cavity is a nice touch. I'll try it next time.
I use all of these methods. The brine makes the biggest difference. The skin crisping also really helps. I also make a compound butter with garlic, sage, rosemary and thyme and stuff it under the skin. Pull out of the oven at 161 and let rest up to 165. Enjoy.
Great suggestion, Joe. I like it because many folks don't eat the skin (crazy, I know!), and when you season under the skin more of the meat can get the benefit of the flavor.
I also wanted to offer a few quick tips for avoiding the inevitable burning of a few areas of skin:
Make sure the rub is evenly distributed an not caked on anywhere. A fairly light dusting is all you need for beautiful skin.
During the caramelization phase, it may help to rotate the Turkey in the oven to help compensate for hotspots, especially if your oven is small like mine. However, remember that if you don't do this quickly you'll let all the heat out of the oven and that's not good at all!!
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If you tent it, don't you loose the crispness to the skin?
Most of your ideas are correct except for the "DO NOT STUFF YOUR TURKEY" part. Stuffing a turkey in no way dries the meat out whether in increased cooking time or absorption of the fluid from the meat into the stuffing. Quite the opposite stuffing a turkey increases fluid content in the meat as the drippings inside the turkey are absorbed by the stuffing which are then slowly released back into the meat from the inside out. If you take a sponge soak it in water and put a piece of glass above it and set it in the sun you will notice water droplets forming on the glass. The same thing happens inside the turkey. Further more as the meet dries it absorbs these droplets of moisture. The long held myth that stuffing a turkey dries the meat because of increased oven time is in fact false and is one of those half baked ideas created by people who have no professional backgroung in culinary arts or people who work for the stovetop stuffing companies.
Sam,
Thanks for your comment, although next time you might want to put some effort into sounding less cocky and preachy. As it happens, I'm a culinary school graduate and I worked as a chef, so let's just keep our conversation on point.
As long as we're talking about myths, a big one is the idea that putting a moist thing in the turkey cavity would add moisture to the meat. Case in point: beer can chicken. That's where you shove a beer can up a chicken's butt and cook it upright. You get a super moist and flavorful chicken that way. But while you get some flavor from the beer, you're not getting much moisture. The moist chicken comes primarily from the upright cooking method – the beer can might as well be empty.
Now back to the issue: to stuff or not to stuff? Well, I think the best answer is that there are pros and cons to each way. Stuffing that comes from the turkey tastes better, that's for sure. But adding mass to the turkey *will* increase the time it takes the turkey to get to safe temp. That's just physics.
The issue is as much food safety as anything else. Since the stuffing is absorbing the raw turkey juices, you need to make sure it reaches 165 degrees. A compromise would be to stuff the turkey, then scoop the stuffing out after a few hours and finish it in a separate dish. Just do it quick – you don't want the turkey temp. to drop too far while you scoop!
Well this sounds Delish!!! I will be using this recipe this year for my family. Cant wait to try it out!!
I think the weird no stuffing turkey is weird.
My family has done this for years.
Do it smart for flavour. Do not over stuff. Add some whole onions, garlic and fresh sage, for room.
Make sure turkey is moist and done. Take out the stuffing and mix the majority of the stuffing that would never fit in the Turkey anyway. Add turkey dripping. saute or put under the broiler. Discard the whole vegatabels and sage and broil for some crust. Full flavour no worries. stuff back in turkey if you want.Or not.
no one ever got sick from stuffing in turkey and the turkey was moist. so food nazis should chill
Lisa,
Glad the stuffed turkey works out well for you. I won't argue that it leads to tasty, tasty stuffing.
I wouldn't call myself a food nazi. And though I'm sure you've never actually witnessed anyone feeling bad a day or two after eating undercooked stuffing, it might just be possible it happened anyway. I'm not worried about sickness on the order of IV fluids here, just tummy grumbles and some time in the bathroom.
Mostly, why bother when you can get better turkey and excellent stuffing using another method?
–Judd
Its so funny how worked up people can get about cooking suggestions….geeze. Thank you for providing a delicious sounding turkey recipe! I cant wait to try it this year!
If ya dont like it dont use it critics!
-Sophia
We tried it for this Thanksgiving (11-25-10)…turkey was incredibly juicy. It was "blackened" as you mentioned but I also added a bit of EVOO before I added the rub so I'm sure that didn't help. My husband said, "…this is the juiciest turkey I've ever eaten…". My kids couldn't get enough…
Thank you for all the info!!
I've invited the family round this xmas for a big dinner, so the roast is pretty important! I found a ton of recipes at this roast recipe site, but cant seem to decide on one – there's too many to choose from! It is fun planning such a big christmas meal though!
I tried this & it was fantastic!!
It did cook much faster than I expected- about 1/2 the time(which was fine by me- it smelled so good my stomach was roaring!!) We almost over-cooked it! Thank goodness for the brine, or else we would have. Even then- our turkey was so moist and tender that as my fiance was carving it, it fell off the bone
I was really skeptical about the cinnamon, cloves & some of the other spices. But I decided to try the spices as listed & the worst that could happen is that I didn't like it. But-they blended beautifully and tasted great. When we had the rub on the turkey in the fridge we kept smelling the rub & holy cow!
I even made gravy from the drippings for the first time, so I'm sure I made it wrong but it was really salty (I'm assuming from the brine in the turkey) I'll adjust my recipe for next year & I know it will be perfect!
My fiance & I greatly appreciate this recipe. I'll DEFINITELY be using THIS recipe again! Thank you!